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Letters for Friday, April 18, 2008
• Focus on Hawai‘i of today
• Revision scurrilous at best
• Hawai‘i and Tibet
Focus on Hawai‘i of today
I’m sure we would all like to thank Ken Conklin (“Equality of Hawai‘i’s people worth defending,” Guest Viewpoint, April 16) and Adam Roversi (“On revising Hawaiian history,” Letters, April 17) for their eloquent and forceful depictions of history regarding our beloved Hawai‘i.
Of course, using our “modern” logic and taking into account the fact that we all have a tendency to see what we want to see, anyone can make valid points conveniently arranging history to fit any individual agenda that’s expedient for them. I’m sure both of these gentlemen are equally intelligent, but their opposite conclusions after speculation of the facts speaks volumes. No one alive today will completely understand what happened; what was said by the Queen behind closed doors as her subjects were rioting because of her exclusionary policies, why Prince Kuhio did what he did, who is to blame for the genocide of the Marquesians who were the first inhabitants of these islands, or what right the descendants of those murderers and rapists have to the islands after their successful genocide in the first place, blah, blah, blah.
Hawai‘i today is all we should focus on. Overbuilding, high taxes, traffic, expanding the job base without compromising our beauty or sustainability, improving education and preserving the aloha spirit are all concepts worth our efforts. Arguing, speculating, claiming ownership and pointing the finger at past generations is a ridiculous waste of time.
Get over it.
If Hawai‘i were not a state of the United States of America, it’s a safe bet we would all be speaking Russian, Japanese or who knows what else. Without the United States the future of us “Hawaiians” just may be bowing to Mecca at all hours of the day and watching our beautiful hula girls swaying their burkas to no music.
I submit we will never realize our potential as a community or make a better place for our children to live if we don’t stop speculating, whining, or sniveling about what happened hundreds or thousands of years ago. That behavior will only divide us. On the contrary, we should all work together with one voice to take better care of this island and each other, today.
Our children are relying on us to do so.
Gordon Oswald
Kapa‘a
Revision scurrilous at best
This settler from Massachusetts left out a lot of facts to strengthen his arguments (“Equality of Hawai‘i’s people worth defending,” Guest Viewpoint, April 16).
Interesting to note that Japan balked at the U.S. actions and privately condemned the U.S. but the Western countries over-rode Japan’s sentiments.
Today, Chinese Law Journal recognizes the fact that the Hawaiian Kingdom still exists albeit under the U.S. belligerent occupation. Under Jewish law, that most countries accept as common law, a signature under duress is ineffectual, null and void.
The Queen was under duress signing that abdication but she continued to petition the U.S. for redress. Kenneth Conklin conveniently fails to mention the Ku‘e Petitions of 1897 signed by the Hawaiian nationals in protest and that the cabinet members were part of the conspiracy and committed high treason.
Many Hawai‘i nationals were forced to sign the oath of allegiance in order to work within Hawai‘i. Many signed under duress just to feed their families.
I would call that extortion. Nonetheless the people protested up till today. Conklinites do have a habit to take facts out of context and twist them to suit their smug ego. It’s the wolf crying “sour grapes.”
They are truly the “ultracrepidarian” critics suffering from “oneirataxia.”
To believe this piggish man, is to be ailing from synesthesia and antipathy for the truth. His failing arguments and revision of history are scurrilous at best.
David Inciong II
Pearl City, O‘ahu
Hawai‘i and Tibet
Kenneth Conklin, philosophic pundit, subscribes to situation ethics (“Equality of Hawai‘i’s people worth defending,” Guest Viewpoint, April 16).
There are no known formal letters regarding Roman enslavement of numerous nations, nor are there to my knowledge, any formal declarations of condemnation of China’s overthrow/occupation of Tibet, by 19 nations.
However, this later abomination leads me to a proposition regarding recent events on Moloka‘i, an island which my wife and I love and have visited over many years. Our hearts, and philosophy, are with Native Hawaiians.
Our Supreme Court has ruled that eminent domain exercised by federal, state, county and city governments is not unconstitutional. It would be instructive to get answers from both Democratic nominees on this proposition: a federal bill to declare Moloka‘i Ranch seized using eminent domain and transferred to native people of Moloka‘i to own and operate as they see fit.
Obviously, money is available for two wars, why not use a tiny fraction at home. This may not please Communist Chinese but, hey, they don’t think Hawaiians are to be any more respected than Tibetans. We would accomplish a few things. Moloka‘i Hawaiians would have employment, now ruined by punishing closure and a clear message would be sent to China, that though they may own Hawaiian real estate, they have no philosophical right to abuse indigenous people who have suffered enough. Thanks to China for leprosy and landlord fiat.
Fred Crowe
San Diego, Calif.
• Revision scurrilous at best
• Hawai‘i and Tibet
Focus on Hawai‘i of today
I’m sure we would all like to thank Ken Conklin (“Equality of Hawai‘i’s people worth defending,” Guest Viewpoint, April 16) and Adam Roversi (“On revising Hawaiian history,” Letters, April 17) for their eloquent and forceful depictions of history regarding our beloved Hawai‘i.
Of course, using our “modern” logic and taking into account the fact that we all have a tendency to see what we want to see, anyone can make valid points conveniently arranging history to fit any individual agenda that’s expedient for them. I’m sure both of these gentlemen are equally intelligent, but their opposite conclusions after speculation of the facts speaks volumes. No one alive today will completely understand what happened; what was said by the Queen behind closed doors as her subjects were rioting because of her exclusionary policies, why Prince Kuhio did what he did, who is to blame for the genocide of the Marquesians who were the first inhabitants of these islands, or what right the descendants of those murderers and rapists have to the islands after their successful genocide in the first place, blah, blah, blah.
Hawai‘i today is all we should focus on. Overbuilding, high taxes, traffic, expanding the job base without compromising our beauty or sustainability, improving education and preserving the aloha spirit are all concepts worth our efforts. Arguing, speculating, claiming ownership and pointing the finger at past generations is a ridiculous waste of time.
Get over it.
If Hawai‘i were not a state of the United States of America, it’s a safe bet we would all be speaking Russian, Japanese or who knows what else. Without the United States the future of us “Hawaiians” just may be bowing to Mecca at all hours of the day and watching our beautiful hula girls swaying their burkas to no music.
I submit we will never realize our potential as a community or make a better place for our children to live if we don’t stop speculating, whining, or sniveling about what happened hundreds or thousands of years ago. That behavior will only divide us. On the contrary, we should all work together with one voice to take better care of this island and each other, today.
Our children are relying on us to do so.
Gordon Oswald
Kapa‘a
Revision scurrilous at best
This settler from Massachusetts left out a lot of facts to strengthen his arguments (“Equality of Hawai‘i’s people worth defending,” Guest Viewpoint, April 16).
Interesting to note that Japan balked at the U.S. actions and privately condemned the U.S. but the Western countries over-rode Japan’s sentiments.
Today, Chinese Law Journal recognizes the fact that the Hawaiian Kingdom still exists albeit under the U.S. belligerent occupation. Under Jewish law, that most countries accept as common law, a signature under duress is ineffectual, null and void.
The Queen was under duress signing that abdication but she continued to petition the U.S. for redress. Kenneth Conklin conveniently fails to mention the Ku‘e Petitions of 1897 signed by the Hawaiian nationals in protest and that the cabinet members were part of the conspiracy and committed high treason.
Many Hawai‘i nationals were forced to sign the oath of allegiance in order to work within Hawai‘i. Many signed under duress just to feed their families.
I would call that extortion. Nonetheless the people protested up till today. Conklinites do have a habit to take facts out of context and twist them to suit their smug ego. It’s the wolf crying “sour grapes.”
They are truly the “ultracrepidarian” critics suffering from “oneirataxia.”
To believe this piggish man, is to be ailing from synesthesia and antipathy for the truth. His failing arguments and revision of history are scurrilous at best.
David Inciong II
Pearl City, O‘ahu
Hawai‘i and Tibet
Kenneth Conklin, philosophic pundit, subscribes to situation ethics (“Equality of Hawai‘i’s people worth defending,” Guest Viewpoint, April 16).
There are no known formal letters regarding Roman enslavement of numerous nations, nor are there to my knowledge, any formal declarations of condemnation of China’s overthrow/occupation of Tibet, by 19 nations.
However, this later abomination leads me to a proposition regarding recent events on Moloka‘i, an island which my wife and I love and have visited over many years. Our hearts, and philosophy, are with Native Hawaiians.
Our Supreme Court has ruled that eminent domain exercised by federal, state, county and city governments is not unconstitutional. It would be instructive to get answers from both Democratic nominees on this proposition: a federal bill to declare Moloka‘i Ranch seized using eminent domain and transferred to native people of Moloka‘i to own and operate as they see fit.
Obviously, money is available for two wars, why not use a tiny fraction at home. This may not please Communist Chinese but, hey, they don’t think Hawaiians are to be any more respected than Tibetans. We would accomplish a few things. Moloka‘i Hawaiians would have employment, now ruined by punishing closure and a clear message would be sent to China, that though they may own Hawaiian real estate, they have no philosophical right to abuse indigenous people who have suffered enough. Thanks to China for leprosy and landlord fiat.
Fred Crowe
San Diego, Calif.
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HiKauai wrote on Feb 11, 2009 9:19 AM:
" Hello again TGI,
Please do not expect anyone to buy your theory of promotion or advertising and success program Waimea High School. We the former students there at one time in our lives actually do not care of local propaganda and success story with you or anyone there and their cars to show for as a success story.
Basically, I wrote to Waimea High School, and I suspect as always that this town is a ghost town. No offense but there is nothing to do there, just unemployed educators and former students.
I am not with their idea of success story, and I am not placing religion or anything like that on anyone, because as you know, this is still a free country and you can do anything you want. The whole idea of success just doesn't work well in a farm club setting and wanting to make it out or make it happen after you graduate in high school there to say the least.
Basically, some people I may know here, think some of you people still stuck there are still losers because you haven't made it happen for yourself or others, if you get my point staying home doing nothing.
Sincerely,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
Please do not expect anyone to buy your theory of promotion or advertising and success program Waimea High School. We the former students there at one time in our lives actually do not care of local propaganda and success story with you or anyone there and their cars to show for as a success story.
Basically, I wrote to Waimea High School, and I suspect as always that this town is a ghost town. No offense but there is nothing to do there, just unemployed educators and former students.
I am not with their idea of success story, and I am not placing religion or anything like that on anyone, because as you know, this is still a free country and you can do anything you want. The whole idea of success just doesn't work well in a farm club setting and wanting to make it out or make it happen after you graduate in high school there to say the least.
Basically, some people I may know here, think some of you people still stuck there are still losers because you haven't made it happen for yourself or others, if you get my point staying home doing nothing.
Sincerely,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
HiKauai wrote on Feb 11, 2009 1:45 PM:
" First of all, let this be known, that these comments here are worthless and useless considering the topic being discussed. We found this topic a useless waist of time and money. This is from any intellectual interested reader. And yes, I am not associated with any former classmates there on Kauai also, for this matter alone.
Sincerely,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
Sincerely,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
HiKauai wrote on Feb 11, 2009 1:50 PM:
" I have seen alot of losers being mentioned in association to Waimea High School sports at UH Manoa. Might I add they are the one's who are delerious and a debachery to any level minded reader. These names are wide and long. And they run from 1979-1990 graduates trying grace the pages of Kauai and represent that school, outrageous. I for one, right now am putting all of them down for ever contemplating fame and popularity. We actually do not understand your fame and glory at Waimea High School.
This is in regards to your articles on the Waimea High School athletics and any department there.
Sincerely,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
This is in regards to your articles on the Waimea High School athletics and any department there.
Sincerely,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
HiKauai wrote on Feb 11, 2009 1:55 PM:
" Losers I have mentioned that graced those pages are as follows:
Ross Kagawa 1984' UH baseball 1987' classmate of Percival Butay(cousin)
Edmond Acoba 1981'
Liko Pereira 1989 and someother school baseball?
Kui Souza 1988 Sacramento state baseball
Craig Ibara 1983' HPC of honolulu baseball
Keith Pigao - student information desk for all information here for class reunion
Lyman Lacro 1986, UH Volleyball 1987
Barry Magoay 1985, UH Volleyball 1989
These are just some of the names trying to gain popular votes via their own high School Waimea High School
even now. Unreal!
Best regards,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
Ross Kagawa 1984' UH baseball 1987' classmate of Percival Butay(cousin)
Edmond Acoba 1981'
Liko Pereira 1989 and someother school baseball?
Kui Souza 1988 Sacramento state baseball
Craig Ibara 1983' HPC of honolulu baseball
Keith Pigao - student information desk for all information here for class reunion
Lyman Lacro 1986, UH Volleyball 1987
Barry Magoay 1985, UH Volleyball 1989
These are just some of the names trying to gain popular votes via their own high School Waimea High School
even now. Unreal!
Best regards,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
HiKauai wrote on Feb 12, 2009 1:08 PM:
" Hello again TGI,
This is me, Dean Kelly Sabado. Thank you for letting me comment on your articles there on the island. I just want to thank everyone agreeing with myself on who actually I meant, calling them losers in that town. Ha! Ha! Ha! I am a personal graduate of that high school but will proudly say if they keep up the good work in academics and life, will not be too ashamed of being associated with Waimea High School as an alumni.
Sorry, but there are others who felt this way! Here on the island of Honolulu and even the mainland. These names may have one time in their lives even mine represent the epitome of failure and laughs, and not success.
best regards,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
This is me, Dean Kelly Sabado. Thank you for letting me comment on your articles there on the island. I just want to thank everyone agreeing with myself on who actually I meant, calling them losers in that town. Ha! Ha! Ha! I am a personal graduate of that high school but will proudly say if they keep up the good work in academics and life, will not be too ashamed of being associated with Waimea High School as an alumni.
Sorry, but there are others who felt this way! Here on the island of Honolulu and even the mainland. These names may have one time in their lives even mine represent the epitome of failure and laughs, and not success.
best regards,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
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HiKauai wrote on Feb 11, 2009 9:08 AM:
RE: 2/11/2009 and the above topic
Can we cut out the "EXPLETIVE" here. Everyone knows if you are or were affiliated with high school at one time in your life in Waimea, Kauai, you would know that you do not place one of the three stooges willing to work at Kentucky fried chicken and place him at the vice principal's seat at Waimea High School. We all know that BOE and DOE played no roll in this nonsense of students being athletes then becomming success in the respected choice of degree and field like a BA degree. An example, you cannot put someone like a Pereira or even an Aaron Francisco from Kahuku High School, now former Arizona Cardinals NFL, as a BA candidtate after a prolific showing in sports. It just does not work that way. We all know that they cannot be serious placing academics after a 10 year assistant coach with a rediculous man/educator and/or coach if I might add like Tommy Rita of the 1980's and then expect him, Patrick Pereira to educate people in 2000's after being associated with dumb athletes all their life and now turn to academics. Now they educate people? Ha! What are we looking at here is basically a rediculous and dumber community than most perceived DOE standard base learning. Otherwise throw this article out already, alright?
best regards,
Dean Kelly Sabado "