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Letters for Tuesday, October 2, 2007
• Much has changed on Kaua‘i
• Rudeness all around
• Work toward aloha
• They have done well
Much has changed on Kaua‘i
Peter Nilsen’s letter (“More cost comparisons,” Letters, Oct. 1) made me think of some things that haven’t been discussed much in this explosive Superferry dialogue.
About four years ago, a prototype of the Superferry came to Kaua‘i for people to look at. It was jokingly named the “H4” and hundreds, if not thousands of people came out to look at this boat. At that point in time, there were no protesters, there were just a lot of interested spectators.
A lot has changed for Kaua‘i in those four years. First, and most important regarding the economics of the situation, there were only two airline companies regularly taking people between the islands, and at that time these companies were charging $175 per person one way. When that first prototype ferry arrived in Nawiliwili, it cost more to go to O‘ahu than it does to go to some destinations on the Mainland today. Almost $400 not including the cost of a rental car is and was a lot of money for Kauaians to spend on travel between the islands. Four years ago, in a different economic era, an alternative form of transportation was desired by a large part of our population.
Unfortunately for the Superferry, in the time it took them to get the permits and to raise the hundreds of millions of dollars it takes to build a ferry (and its relative bureaucracy), a lot has changed on Kaua‘i.
Most importantly (staying with the economics of the situation), a third air carrier came to the islands and the fare wars began. Now, when air travel to the other islands can cost as little as $9, most of the economic benefits of having this alternative form of transportation have disappeared. Unfortunately, if you take the economics out of the situation, a lot of the reasons why people initially wanted the ferry have disappeared.
In addition, besides the basic economic change, Kaua‘i has faced many other “changes” in the past four years: Costco arrived creating a dialogue about big box stores; the Waipouli development was completed; numerous huge construction projects began on the South Shore and Princeville; in addition, the Kaloko Dam was breached in Kilauea; the nurses’ strike dragged on and on due to a change in the healthcare system; and the median home price went past half-a-million dollars.
Again, a lot has changed in the past four years.
Fairly or unfairly, I think the Superferry has come to represent inevitable change for many people on Kaua‘i, as we watch our island home rapidly change from paradise to ... something else.
I think what’s needed here is patience and understanding more than anything else: both patience and understanding for our island as it gets used to the changes being imposed upon it, and patience and understanding for (and from) a “big business” that invested hundreds of millions of dollars to build something it thought people wanted.
Noah Evslin
Waimea
Rudeness all around
Brian Flournoy (“Shame over Superferry meeting,” Letters, Oct. 1) states, “Thank you for making the effort to open up dialogue.”
Gov. Linda Lingle said in all of her public meetings she has never seen such rudeness displayed by Hawaiians. Yes, there was rudeness displayed at the Thursday evening meeting. But who started the rudeness:
• Who ignored our state Senator with 6,000 signatures of Kauaians seeking to have Gov. Linda Lingle obey the law and get an EIS first?
• Who insulted Hooser later by saying, “Why didn’t you come to me sooner?”
• Who came to Kaua‘i, not to listen to concerns supported unanimously by our County Council, but to lecture Kauaians on how to not break newly imposed restrictions (already being challenged as unconstitutional) while she ignores a current court decision that the Superferry must get an EIS, which the law itself says must be done before operation (condition precedent)?
The pent-up anger from being ignored resulted in the rudeness displayed. A good manager should consider whether it was their own actions which caused an outburst of frustration. In addition, there was no violence at the meeting. There was way more violence in the 1960s in our so-called peaceful protests of the Vietnam War than there was at the War Memorial Convention Hall. There is a difference between vocal and violent.
The protesters were passionately concerned. She wasn’t listening and hasn’t been listening for several years; she was lecturing us on keeping her new law. A law-breaker threatening law-abiding citizens with a passion for protecting the land with severe punishment is disrespectful, rude and bullying. Not only so, but her explicit threats of severe punishment for breaking the law to a select group of protesters, before any law is broken, is also being challenged (by the ACLU) as explicit coercion against a constitutionally protected right to freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.
Thank you, JoAnn Yukimura and Gary Hooser for leading the people of Kaua‘i in the face of Gov. Linda Lingle acting like a monarch.
Paul Kelley
Kalaheo
Work toward aloha
I express my deepest concerns to the people of Hawaiian ancestry who are participating with the protest concerning the Superferry to be careful of your involvement with the protesting and sincerely ask that you step away from this protesting.
Beware of those protesters’ words that hide the truth. Please see that your protesting tampers with the destiny of the Hawaiian spirit of aloha to live side-by-side among our own and those of other ethnic races that allow us to exercise the freedom of our own respectful choices and concerns. In the end, if you continue your protesting it will lead us into the deceitfulness of those protesters’ hands and our lands are no more.
The land is the foundation that governs our sovereignty. Speak the truth and show the respect. In this we all can strive for the pursuit of happiness. In light of all that has happened the aloha spirit has been jeopardized and it is our responsibility to bring that back. Let’s work toward the aloha now and start by giving and stop the taking.
The Hawaiian blood runs deep in the islands. Let’s keep it that way.
Deborahlee Celestino
Kekaha
They have done well
People of Maui and Kaua‘i say they are worried about invasive species invading their islands.
They need not worry anymore because they are already there. They are settled in all the exclusive properties ranging from 5 to 100 acres.
You can’t stop progress. They will be coming because they can afford it. The sad thing about this is the locals who cannot afford the taxes will suffer eventually and one day become homeless. Even without the ferry this will happen. People of Hawai‘i, wake up. Don’t let these malihinis influence your way of thinking. These people are like the missionaries. They came to do good and they have done very well.
You all know what I am talking about.
Lloyd Y. Yamasaki
Wahiawa, O‘ahu
• Rudeness all around
• Work toward aloha
• They have done well
Much has changed on Kaua‘i
Peter Nilsen’s letter (“More cost comparisons,” Letters, Oct. 1) made me think of some things that haven’t been discussed much in this explosive Superferry dialogue.
About four years ago, a prototype of the Superferry came to Kaua‘i for people to look at. It was jokingly named the “H4” and hundreds, if not thousands of people came out to look at this boat. At that point in time, there were no protesters, there were just a lot of interested spectators.
A lot has changed for Kaua‘i in those four years. First, and most important regarding the economics of the situation, there were only two airline companies regularly taking people between the islands, and at that time these companies were charging $175 per person one way. When that first prototype ferry arrived in Nawiliwili, it cost more to go to O‘ahu than it does to go to some destinations on the Mainland today. Almost $400 not including the cost of a rental car is and was a lot of money for Kauaians to spend on travel between the islands. Four years ago, in a different economic era, an alternative form of transportation was desired by a large part of our population.
Unfortunately for the Superferry, in the time it took them to get the permits and to raise the hundreds of millions of dollars it takes to build a ferry (and its relative bureaucracy), a lot has changed on Kaua‘i.
Most importantly (staying with the economics of the situation), a third air carrier came to the islands and the fare wars began. Now, when air travel to the other islands can cost as little as $9, most of the economic benefits of having this alternative form of transportation have disappeared. Unfortunately, if you take the economics out of the situation, a lot of the reasons why people initially wanted the ferry have disappeared.
In addition, besides the basic economic change, Kaua‘i has faced many other “changes” in the past four years: Costco arrived creating a dialogue about big box stores; the Waipouli development was completed; numerous huge construction projects began on the South Shore and Princeville; in addition, the Kaloko Dam was breached in Kilauea; the nurses’ strike dragged on and on due to a change in the healthcare system; and the median home price went past half-a-million dollars.
Again, a lot has changed in the past four years.
Fairly or unfairly, I think the Superferry has come to represent inevitable change for many people on Kaua‘i, as we watch our island home rapidly change from paradise to ... something else.
I think what’s needed here is patience and understanding more than anything else: both patience and understanding for our island as it gets used to the changes being imposed upon it, and patience and understanding for (and from) a “big business” that invested hundreds of millions of dollars to build something it thought people wanted.
Noah Evslin
Waimea
Rudeness all around
Brian Flournoy (“Shame over Superferry meeting,” Letters, Oct. 1) states, “Thank you for making the effort to open up dialogue.”
Gov. Linda Lingle said in all of her public meetings she has never seen such rudeness displayed by Hawaiians. Yes, there was rudeness displayed at the Thursday evening meeting. But who started the rudeness:
• Who ignored our state Senator with 6,000 signatures of Kauaians seeking to have Gov. Linda Lingle obey the law and get an EIS first?
• Who insulted Hooser later by saying, “Why didn’t you come to me sooner?”
• Who came to Kaua‘i, not to listen to concerns supported unanimously by our County Council, but to lecture Kauaians on how to not break newly imposed restrictions (already being challenged as unconstitutional) while she ignores a current court decision that the Superferry must get an EIS, which the law itself says must be done before operation (condition precedent)?
The pent-up anger from being ignored resulted in the rudeness displayed. A good manager should consider whether it was their own actions which caused an outburst of frustration. In addition, there was no violence at the meeting. There was way more violence in the 1960s in our so-called peaceful protests of the Vietnam War than there was at the War Memorial Convention Hall. There is a difference between vocal and violent.
The protesters were passionately concerned. She wasn’t listening and hasn’t been listening for several years; she was lecturing us on keeping her new law. A law-breaker threatening law-abiding citizens with a passion for protecting the land with severe punishment is disrespectful, rude and bullying. Not only so, but her explicit threats of severe punishment for breaking the law to a select group of protesters, before any law is broken, is also being challenged (by the ACLU) as explicit coercion against a constitutionally protected right to freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.
Thank you, JoAnn Yukimura and Gary Hooser for leading the people of Kaua‘i in the face of Gov. Linda Lingle acting like a monarch.
Paul Kelley
Kalaheo
Work toward aloha
I express my deepest concerns to the people of Hawaiian ancestry who are participating with the protest concerning the Superferry to be careful of your involvement with the protesting and sincerely ask that you step away from this protesting.
Beware of those protesters’ words that hide the truth. Please see that your protesting tampers with the destiny of the Hawaiian spirit of aloha to live side-by-side among our own and those of other ethnic races that allow us to exercise the freedom of our own respectful choices and concerns. In the end, if you continue your protesting it will lead us into the deceitfulness of those protesters’ hands and our lands are no more.
The land is the foundation that governs our sovereignty. Speak the truth and show the respect. In this we all can strive for the pursuit of happiness. In light of all that has happened the aloha spirit has been jeopardized and it is our responsibility to bring that back. Let’s work toward the aloha now and start by giving and stop the taking.
The Hawaiian blood runs deep in the islands. Let’s keep it that way.
Deborahlee Celestino
Kekaha
They have done well
People of Maui and Kaua‘i say they are worried about invasive species invading their islands.
They need not worry anymore because they are already there. They are settled in all the exclusive properties ranging from 5 to 100 acres.
You can’t stop progress. They will be coming because they can afford it. The sad thing about this is the locals who cannot afford the taxes will suffer eventually and one day become homeless. Even without the ferry this will happen. People of Hawai‘i, wake up. Don’t let these malihinis influence your way of thinking. These people are like the missionaries. They came to do good and they have done very well.
You all know what I am talking about.
Lloyd Y. Yamasaki
Wahiawa, O‘ahu
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HiKauai wrote on Feb 11, 2009 9:19 AM:
" Hello again TGI,
Please do not expect anyone to buy your theory of promotion or advertising and success program Waimea High School. We the former students there at one time in our lives actually do not care of local propaganda and success story with you or anyone there and their cars to show for as a success story.
Basically, I wrote to Waimea High School, and I suspect as always that this town is a ghost town. No offense but there is nothing to do there, just unemployed educators and former students.
I am not with their idea of success story, and I am not placing religion or anything like that on anyone, because as you know, this is still a free country and you can do anything you want. The whole idea of success just doesn't work well in a farm club setting and wanting to make it out or make it happen after you graduate in high school there to say the least.
Basically, some people I may know here, think some of you people still stuck there are still losers because you haven't made it happen for yourself or others, if you get my point staying home doing nothing.
Sincerely,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
Please do not expect anyone to buy your theory of promotion or advertising and success program Waimea High School. We the former students there at one time in our lives actually do not care of local propaganda and success story with you or anyone there and their cars to show for as a success story.
Basically, I wrote to Waimea High School, and I suspect as always that this town is a ghost town. No offense but there is nothing to do there, just unemployed educators and former students.
I am not with their idea of success story, and I am not placing religion or anything like that on anyone, because as you know, this is still a free country and you can do anything you want. The whole idea of success just doesn't work well in a farm club setting and wanting to make it out or make it happen after you graduate in high school there to say the least.
Basically, some people I may know here, think some of you people still stuck there are still losers because you haven't made it happen for yourself or others, if you get my point staying home doing nothing.
Sincerely,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
HiKauai wrote on Feb 11, 2009 1:45 PM:
" First of all, let this be known, that these comments here are worthless and useless considering the topic being discussed. We found this topic a useless waist of time and money. This is from any intellectual interested reader. And yes, I am not associated with any former classmates there on Kauai also, for this matter alone.
Sincerely,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
Sincerely,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
HiKauai wrote on Feb 11, 2009 1:50 PM:
" I have seen alot of losers being mentioned in association to Waimea High School sports at UH Manoa. Might I add they are the one's who are delerious and a debachery to any level minded reader. These names are wide and long. And they run from 1979-1990 graduates trying grace the pages of Kauai and represent that school, outrageous. I for one, right now am putting all of them down for ever contemplating fame and popularity. We actually do not understand your fame and glory at Waimea High School.
This is in regards to your articles on the Waimea High School athletics and any department there.
Sincerely,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
This is in regards to your articles on the Waimea High School athletics and any department there.
Sincerely,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
HiKauai wrote on Feb 11, 2009 1:55 PM:
" Losers I have mentioned that graced those pages are as follows:
Ross Kagawa 1984' UH baseball 1987' classmate of Percival Butay(cousin)
Edmond Acoba 1981'
Liko Pereira 1989 and someother school baseball?
Kui Souza 1988 Sacramento state baseball
Craig Ibara 1983' HPC of honolulu baseball
Keith Pigao - student information desk for all information here for class reunion
Lyman Lacro 1986, UH Volleyball 1987
Barry Magoay 1985, UH Volleyball 1989
These are just some of the names trying to gain popular votes via their own high School Waimea High School
even now. Unreal!
Best regards,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
Ross Kagawa 1984' UH baseball 1987' classmate of Percival Butay(cousin)
Edmond Acoba 1981'
Liko Pereira 1989 and someother school baseball?
Kui Souza 1988 Sacramento state baseball
Craig Ibara 1983' HPC of honolulu baseball
Keith Pigao - student information desk for all information here for class reunion
Lyman Lacro 1986, UH Volleyball 1987
Barry Magoay 1985, UH Volleyball 1989
These are just some of the names trying to gain popular votes via their own high School Waimea High School
even now. Unreal!
Best regards,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
HiKauai wrote on Feb 12, 2009 1:08 PM:
" Hello again TGI,
This is me, Dean Kelly Sabado. Thank you for letting me comment on your articles there on the island. I just want to thank everyone agreeing with myself on who actually I meant, calling them losers in that town. Ha! Ha! Ha! I am a personal graduate of that high school but will proudly say if they keep up the good work in academics and life, will not be too ashamed of being associated with Waimea High School as an alumni.
Sorry, but there are others who felt this way! Here on the island of Honolulu and even the mainland. These names may have one time in their lives even mine represent the epitome of failure and laughs, and not success.
best regards,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
This is me, Dean Kelly Sabado. Thank you for letting me comment on your articles there on the island. I just want to thank everyone agreeing with myself on who actually I meant, calling them losers in that town. Ha! Ha! Ha! I am a personal graduate of that high school but will proudly say if they keep up the good work in academics and life, will not be too ashamed of being associated with Waimea High School as an alumni.
Sorry, but there are others who felt this way! Here on the island of Honolulu and even the mainland. These names may have one time in their lives even mine represent the epitome of failure and laughs, and not success.
best regards,
Dean Kelly Sabado "
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HiKauai wrote on Feb 11, 2009 9:08 AM:
RE: 2/11/2009 and the above topic
Can we cut out the "EXPLETIVE" here. Everyone knows if you are or were affiliated with high school at one time in your life in Waimea, Kauai, you would know that you do not place one of the three stooges willing to work at Kentucky fried chicken and place him at the vice principal's seat at Waimea High School. We all know that BOE and DOE played no roll in this nonsense of students being athletes then becomming success in the respected choice of degree and field like a BA degree. An example, you cannot put someone like a Pereira or even an Aaron Francisco from Kahuku High School, now former Arizona Cardinals NFL, as a BA candidtate after a prolific showing in sports. It just does not work that way. We all know that they cannot be serious placing academics after a 10 year assistant coach with a rediculous man/educator and/or coach if I might add like Tommy Rita of the 1980's and then expect him, Patrick Pereira to educate people in 2000's after being associated with dumb athletes all their life and now turn to academics. Now they educate people? Ha! What are we looking at here is basically a rediculous and dumber community than most perceived DOE standard base learning. Otherwise throw this article out already, alright?
best regards,
Dean Kelly Sabado "